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Anyone out there doing ASTM F-2170 testing? I would like to know what the rate is in your area. Realistically it should be the same world wide.

Also, if you are are you using a re-usable probe or the Rapid Rh? If re-usable what are you paying to get it re calibrated every 30 days per ASTM F-2170? And do you charge more for Rh than Ca Cl or the same?

How about a combo test using both? I'll tell what I am getting if you tell.


Thanks,
SP

either dome or RH
Per site: 450.00 (includes first two test kits)
Plus: 150.00 per kit.

Duplex/Combo: 450.00 for first test site ( 1 )
225.00 per test site

I go with what he says,
we ain't much past cooking the dirt hard around here

Can you picture either one of these two girlie tucker men actually using a concrete grinder or hammer drill? None-the-less owning one, chuckle. I guess at those rates you can come to the site wearing a designer suit and hire some illegal mexican to drill the holes.

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Originally posted by ĶĦĄØŞ:
Can you picture either one of these two girlie tucker men actually using a concrete grinder or hammer drill? None-the-less owning one, chuckle. I guess at those rates you can come to the site wearing a designer suit and hire some illegal mexican to drill the holes.

Exactly correct, I don't personaly perform the tests..

Being serious:

I refer them out to concrete engineering and testing companies here.
They have a minimum fee of $550.00 for the first three tests meeting ASTM standards.
Then 150.00 per test over the standard (3 tests).
Either probe or Dome testing.
I don't know of any "combo" pricing but I do know they use a meter test as a "control".

Geez, I am way too low! I am doing dome tests for 250. It's too cheap, takes too much time running three times. Plus doing all that math and measuring, time is of the essence.

I am ordering the Rapid Rh today, no grinding just me trusty drill and a vacuum

three trips to perform three tests for $550.00 is not unreasonable.

Well, I have to compete with the big boxes here and thats what they charge...250 for the first three, but that was awhile ago. I better give them a call and act like a consumer.

I think that consumers would balk at the 550 price. Thats alot of cash.

550.00 divided by 3 trips = ??

What is your time/travel/expertise worth? Then the cost of equipment and test kits.

183.333333333333 per trip. Sounds good to me. But I am also trying to bid the job not just testing third party.

Those tests are a waste of time and money ever since the man started to accept CME readings.

The last CaCl test I did was a year ago for a rubber floor and I incorporated the labor amongst the other tasks, so no special trips. It was also a N/C line item that was taken care of elsewhere in the contract.

I'd rather sell sealer, more profit, more confidence- as it actually does something instead of being for informational purposes only.

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Originally posted by ĶĦĄØŞ:
Those tests are a waste of time and money ever since the man started to accept CME readings.

The last CaCl test I did was a year ago for a rubber floor and I incorporated the labor amongst the other tasks, so no special trips. It was also a N/C line item that was taken care of elsewhere in the contract.

I'd rather sell sealer, more profit, more confidence- as it actually does something instead of being for informational purposes only.

True so true but it's in the mans installation giudelines that you must test, also some testing after the sealer as well. No test, no warranty and you eat it.

And then when I get high readings is when the sealer comes into play. Even if its a low reading and there is no evidence or documentation of a barrier beneath the slab you really gotta make them sign off on any future mve problems that may arise.

The tests are pretty much mandatory now so it's just extra money on my pocket. And with the Rapid Rh system I can get readings in one hour.

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No test, no warranty and you eat it.

C'mon, any wood and sealer you install in AZ has voided the man's warranty based on ambient air rh alone. You technically already assume all liability when you know the site doesn't qualify.

The rest is all an illusion, smoke and mirrors to get deeper into the client's pocket.

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The rest is all an illusion, smoke and mirrors to get deeper into the client's pocket.

And your intention is exactly that is it not? Don't make me go back and quote ya.

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C'mon, any wood and sealer you install in AZ has voided the man's warranty based on ambient air rh alone.

Depends on the time of year. Right now you need AC to bring the rh down to the mans guidelines. The rest of the year you need a swamp cooler to bring it up.

Maximizing profit and running a scam are two very different things.

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Originally posted by ĶĦĄØŞ:
Can you picture either one of these two girlie tucker men actually using a concrete grinder or hammer drill? None-the-less owning one, chuckle. I guess at those rates you can come to the site wearing a designer suit and hire some illegal mexican to drill the holes.

well,
I can't see you under a glass factory at 5AM shoveling hot molten glass, in steam, at 110 f.,,, shoveling tons at a time, with a snow shovel, for hours upon hours, when you have done that, talk to me,,,,otherwise, leave the candy ass pussy shit with the candy ass pussy ass shit where it belongs,,,,enough of floor guys thinking they are tough ass people,,,,enough,,,,pusy is pussy,

you see,,,,,floor covering is not that tough,,,,,or hard, compared to some work,,,,each profession likes to think, it is the toughest, one of those "macho" things,

I use to get up at 4, be at work at 5, shoveling hot molten glass dropping into tubs of water, during the night, it would spill out onto the concrete floor, we would have to shovel it up, tons of it, into a "front end loader",,,, where "waste glass" fell durning the night from 4pm to 5am.......sometimes, I see, people posting about people with no, "reference" to past work.....some work is for men, some for, boys pretending to be, men.

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Oh yeah...when I was nine I walked to school and back uphill in a blizzard.

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Originally posted by ĶĦĄØŞ:
Maximizing profit and running a scam are two very different things.

Scam? Just playing by the rules wayner, testing is pretty much mandatory these days for every type floor.

BTW I have seen floors fail over top sealers. It ain't no panacea for excessive mve thats for sure.

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testing is pretty much mandatory these days

As I wrote earlier- CME is becoming the new acceptance standard among the only people that matter in this industry. You're attempting to jump on a bandwagon that has already departed.

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...sealers. It ain't no panacea for excessive mve...

All ASTM testing does is attach a number to what you already know. You can take just as many guesses at the moisture source with a CME reading. If the slab is that wet the client is better off spending their money on someone who actually has the equipment to make a correct diagnosis.

I have been doing CaCl testing for years like yourself. I remember when you loved dropping tests. Whats changed your mind?

I know I never really liked the idea but if the industry is making me the one liable for it and not following the white paper then I guess ...if it's to be. it's gonna have to be me....lol

Ever hear of testing after the sealer has been applied? Lotsa floors still cannot handle that extra ve thats getting through.

And with the ever changing conditions especially with slabs that have no vapor barrier under them it's still a shot in the dark. But I lnow how to recifiy most situations unless there is a spring under the house.