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Originally posted by Bullitt:

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Originally posted by Fred:

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Originally posted by Bullitt:
I was recently sent a wood inspection from a broker. In the box there was a comment to NOT send out a certain inspector by a rep. Fancy that.

I had to decline because I am just too busy installing wood.

But you are not a certified inspector. You are telling me that some brokerage firms use NON-certified inspectors. This is a problem to certified inspectors. I'm glad you refused to perform the inspection because you are not qualified

I guess they have to when the certified guys don't know what they're doing. Many retailers and reps would rather hire out a contractor who actually has many years experience in laying hardwood. Ha Ha

You might have something there.......... But what happens when NON-Certified People GET CAUGHT??? It is an automatic payout to the consumer no matter what the problem is.

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Originally posted by Mr.Snow:

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Originally posted by Bullitt:

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Originally posted by Fred:

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Originally posted by Bullitt:
I was recently sent a wood inspection from a broker. In the box there was a comment to NOT send out a certain inspector by a rep. Fancy that.

I had to decline because I am just too busy installing wood.

But you are not a certified inspector. You are telling me that some brokerage firms use NON-certified inspectors. This is a problem to certified inspectors. I'm glad you refused to perform the inspection because you are not qualified

I guess they have to when the certified guys don't know what they're doing. Many retailers and reps would rather hire out a contractor who actually has many years experience in laying hardwood. Ha Ha

You might have something there.......... But what happens when NON-Certified People GET CAUGHT??? It is an automatic payout to the consumer no matter what the problem is.

Get caught doing what? Who says ones needs to be certified to inspect a flooring failure and give an opinion? Where is that law? Show me.

Because you don't know the difference between an opinion and a conclusion............ THAT'S WHY.

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Originally posted by Fred:
Because you don't know the difference between an opinion and a conclusion............ THAT'S WHY.

It's Industry Accepted.
Go up against a Certified Inspector with credentials and qualifications and you'll learn...

I now proclaim myself to be a Doctor.??

I now am a certified Rocket Scientist?

What next Stephen? A Bookend?

My opinion is your an idiot. After reading all of your posts of various personality traits all being the same I conclude your a demented individual. And thats my professional opinion.

They both mean the same thing.

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It's Industry Accepted.
Go up against a Certified Inspector with credentials and qualifications and you'll learn...

That wouldn't be a problem going up against one like you. Industry experience trumps a piece of paper any day. I could name several people that have NO certification in their field that are leaders in their field and your piece of paper wouln't hold water against them.
Besides that, citing industry standards is all one has to do. If you understand them that is.
Therein lies the answer to you question, why do they NOT want the industry accepted individual to inspect the flooring? Because he is an idiot like yourself.

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now,
ok,
I can't think of anything I want to say

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Originally posted by Bullitt:
My opinion is your an idiot. After reading all of your posts of various personality traits all being the same I conclude your a demented individual. And thats my professional opinion.

They both mean the same thing.

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It's Industry Accepted.
Go up against a Certified Inspector with credentials and qualifications and you'll learn...

That wouldn't be a problem going up against one like you. Industry experience trumps a piece of paper any day. I could name several people that have NO certification in their field that are leaders in their field and your piece of paper wouln't hold water against them.
Besides that, citing industry standards is all one has to do. If you understand them that is.
Therein lies the answer to you question, why do they NOT want the industry accepted individual to inspect the flooring? Because he is an idiot like yourself.

I agree with you. It's all about industry standards and I'm an idiot

I feel so lonely, all alone, can I join in and be an idiot too? I promise to behave,,,,

can I also sign up my ex wife, she, like me, is well qualified to join any idiot's club....

will we need any special hats or tee shirts?

I am already beginning to start to feel better about myself knowing I know, there is, a place for ME!

thank you guys! now, I know, where I belong.

meet my cousin BillyJoeBob

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Us idiots have to stick together. If we do, think of the political power and influence we could have.

Democratic National Idiots Association

I think Perry would make a great president? Maybe myself, Richard Snow?

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Originally posted by Bullitt:
My opinion is your an idiot. After reading all of your posts of various personality traits all being the same I conclude your a demented individual. And thats my professional opinion.

They both mean the same thing.

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It's Industry Accepted.
Go up against a Certified Inspector with credentials and qualifications and you'll learn...

That wouldn't be a problem going up against one like you. Industry experience trumps a piece of paper any day. I could name several people that have NO certification in their field that are leaders in their field and your piece of paper wouln't hold water against them.
Besides that, citing industry standards is all one has to do. If you understand them that is.
Therein lies the answer to you question, why do they NOT want the industry accepted individual to inspect the flooring? Because he is an idiot like yourself.

Just for the record Stephen: As far as "Industry Experience"............. You are a babe in the woods compared to my "Industry Experience".... So if you want to compare "size", lets put up a little money ($10,000.00) before we take measurements...

sorry,
been there, seen it,
in court, a judge will rule on Stephen's knowledge and expertise accepting him as an expert witness,,

have been there, seen it,
at my suggestion, asked the "im-pect-or" how many wood floors he has sold, none,,,how many wood floors he has installed, none,,,,lawyer reminded the judge the second expert witness, that I, I , I suggested he also hire, has over 30 years installing, measuring, site inspections with wood and so on,,,,and then, asked how this man could be considered an expert when he only had carpet cleaning experience and one one week course, the lawyer compared 35 hours to over 30 years,,

I, and my guy, were admitted as expert witness, the other guy, no, and his BS report, not admitted, and without that, the judge ruled right there,,,,so, so called, certifications, are not always admitted,

Sorry Snow, I forgot all your carpet installation in apartments and certifications from people that do not know, teaching and certifying other people perpetuating the existance of the idiot inspector club.

Lee, is correct, and if I quote industry stabndards and manufactures installation giudelnes...documented with pictures and site testing how is it I will loose in court just because I am not certified? You joking right?
The reason they like to use me for wood is because reps and mill anylists found out he does not know what the hell he is talking about.
I guess that goes back to accounting, I think they do keep track don't they?

and,
once Stephen is accredited and accepted by one court, all courts will accept his credentials and once that happens, frankly, why will he need "certifications" since courts, the legal system, has recognized him as an expert.

question? which carries more weight? FCITS? or a judge/court?
IICRC or a judge/court?
ITS, FITS, ICR or a judge/court?

fact is, once we testify, we really never have to worry about maintaining certification again....just have the court send a transcript of the proceeding showing a judge ruled he is recognized as a flooring expert in the "eyes of the law".

slt

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Originally posted by Bullitt:
Sorry Snow, I forgot all your carpet installation in apartments and certifications from people that do not know, teaching and certifying other people perpetuating the existance of the idiot inspector club.

Lee, is correct, and if I quote industry stabndards and manufactures installation giudelnes...documented with pictures and site testing how is it I will loose in court just because I am not certified? You joking right?
The reason they like to use me for wood is because reps and mill anylists found out he does not know what the hell he is talking about.
I guess that goes back to accounting, I think they do keep track don't they?

You forgot Retail Store ownership (sold, did not go broke), Installation of better materials (did not like it because we were paid .25 cents more per yard for retail compared to contract/apartments), Manufacturers rep, Trained by EXPERTS that do know what they are doing.... in the business since 7 years old working with resilient and paint in the beginning. Mostly resilient as a young man then carpet became popular in the early 60's.

Now lets us count the REAL inspections you have performed. 1, 2, 3? And only for one National Service....
Stephen; you can call yourself a consultant !! And you should call yourself a Consultant, not an inspector. Inspectors have credentials, Consultants do not need Certs or Credentials. So instead of debating these small issues to compare penis size; why not just do the smart thing and consider yourself a "Consultant".??

Right, makes me wonder how many incompetent inspectors are members of NICFI.org, is he?

Consultants make more money,
you can advise lawyers without having to testify,

ummm, Stephen, I think, you should thank him, more money, never have to testify, yes, he is right, you should be a consultant....but somehow, I don't he meant it in the positive way we see it,,,,or, maybe he does and wants what is best for you,,,,

Yeah I do consulting for clients. Perhaps I should do it for NICFI.org-asim as well.

Besides that I install.

Jammin

I rockin aye

I don't know where to jump in here, but here goes....A combination of experience, education, and certification is best. Stephen and Mike appear to be very knowledgeable and experienced people, but evidently they do not have the paper that says that they are an "expert". Can they present their experience in court and prove that they are an expert??? ABSOLUTELY! I personally would have a hard time stacking up against Stephen on a wood floor installation related issue.

I think that certification has been perpetuated by the manufacturer who wants to protect themselves from our lawsuit happy society...Stephan is right, where is the law that says that only a "certified" person is a qualified inspector. Have you seen or talked to some of the people who are certified!!! Has anyone failed to pass a simple certification? It drives me crazy when a claims analyst gets out a book and throws a dart at the board to find an inspector. It is ludicrous to use the inspector that is closest to the job site because he will cost the least.

Many residential claims analysts do not know the difference. Many think all Certified Inspectors are created equal. CRAZINESS! Most often there is not enough money in the claim (residential)to worry about it...Commercial claims are different because of the money involved. They will seek out the best inspector or service person.

Mike is right! Can you imagine the embarrassment when a mill stands by and backs up your inspection report, only to find out later it was all conjecture! Call it like it is and you will be respected for it. If you don't know, say so. If you are not certain, or if you have an opinion say it privately. Those who favor the mill on all inspections are not doing anyone any favors.



We all draw on our experiences. Some of us are good
installers, others are cleaners, dealers, former salespeople, or whatever. Some of us are good at corrections, some don't correct anything. Some are good at report writing, others can't write a lick. Some are good at cleaning, others are not. One person might be good for a particular inspection, and yet completely wrong for another problem. We must all know what we are good at, and yet recognize our limitations.


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