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What should be the main policy directing installers--protecting the commercial customers, installers, retailers and mills--when installing gluedown carpet on runs over 40 feet and why, that has not been instituted?

The above has to do with more than just the length of the runs.

All installers, as well as inspectors and industry analysts, should understand these things without prompting.

I'd rather just the analysts, inspectors and those setting policy to answer.

Maybe you'd rather look bad in a court of law for the ignorance of the industry as a whole and your policy makers?

And you want to be inspectors for the commercial end of this business?

What would it hurt for those that make policy to come here and tell installers exactly what to expect and why?

If the industry cannot make policy, then they have no right to inspect and pass judgement on installers.

If you'd like, please cite the policy directing installers in this part of the industry, according to CRI or any other org that claims to understand.

How about a little quiz for you analysts and policy makers.

Let's say you are being crunched for time by a schedule that's been set by the builders, the customers and the other trades holding up the floorcovering and let's say you have done the tests for the floor and the conditions are good.

Then, the day before the gluedown carpet is to go in, a very heavy rain comes. What do you policy makers recommend and why?

Lets say it's crunch time again and the day the install is to be done, it's cold and rainy outside, but on the inside of the building, the heat is on, please advise.

Now let's reverse it. Rains fell most of the night and the next day the sun comes out and it's very hot. The air conditioning is on, with the installers set to install that day. What do you recommend and why?

What do you recommend if it rained the night before and the building has no heat or air, but the install must take place the next day?

What tests has this industry done to prove what we should do, according to the conditions? If you have done tests, please show us the available data.

When carpet leaves an airconditioned environment at the shop and the moisture content in the air is very high, what tests have this industry conducted as to the absorbtion rate of the carpet becking, as well as the concrete, once the carpet is on site and either the air is on or the heat is on.

While most backings are plastic, the fillers are not.

What is the suggested dry time on your glues in this situation and why?

Do you believe all glues are the same as to dry time or if they are different, surely your glue manufacturers can tell us what to expect, as well as the industry analysts, eh?

What do you teach installers and inspectors in these senarios?

If there is a failure on someones part, won't the retailers have to pay for at least part of the problem, especially if it's high dollar and the failure comes soon after the customer takes occupancy? If the installer walks away, who pays, especially when your installers insurance has lapsed?

If he has insurance and a failure occurs on a big commercial project, either his rates will skyrocket or he will get no one to insure him again. What if it wasn't his fault because the industry failed to understand and make policy, do you not destroy his life in the trade and cause his wife and children to suffer for your failures?

So, you want to set policy and hire men that have no real knowledge of the floor?

What of justice?

Tell us something easy. What is the failure rate for commercial, gluedown installations and according to your records, who is at fault and why.

I don't believe this industry has even one analyst studying these things, but hey, I could be wrong. Please prove me wrong if you can and tell us the things used by the analyst or analysts, studying this.

Sincerely,

Old codger---aka---Jim Ryan

There are more questions to be asked and analyzed, what are they and why?

Please show us poor, dumb, 9th and 10th graders, what they are and why.

The questions to be studied as to failure rate are vastly important. Please advise as to what the most important failure rate is and how that will teach all us poor, dumb installers, what should be known and why.

That point is your starting point in analyzing all the rest of the data.

Once you ask yourselves each individual question, consider the combinations of things that can affect the installations and please advise us poor, dumb installers.

What about insurance co's, do they know this industry doesn't bother analyzing these things and that they have to pay for this industries failures?

There are more mottled questions dealing with failure rates that really complicate matters and as I said before, that is your starting point, what is it?

An important question. Do you believe insurance rates and costs would at least level off, if this industry knew all these things and more?

How about all the down time for these huge corporations, when a failure occurs?

Mills today have very sophisticated computer programs that track failure rates and performance figures. However they are privately held proprietary values that are not released to the public. Most generally if a retailers claims are less that 3% of dollar volume not much is said.

Next topic, Jim pull your latest insurance policy and share with us your coverage limits for gluedown carpet failure!
You ask a lot of questions about moisture and performance.
What type of insurance do you carry, or have you carried to cover yourself?

So the retailers and mills are covered. What about the installers that suffer a failure and what if it's not their fault or even their fault. Now-a-days, one claim and your insurance co' may drop you and maybe none others pick you up or it really costs them.

There are quite a few things that just aren't known and you chose not to say one word about those things, but no one says you or anyone else has to.

If the industry tracks failure rates, why haven't they figured out the reasoning and taught it to installers?

I hear not one installer or entity, like CRI and CFI, teaching the reasons for the failures. What are the mills doing, waiting for the sky to fall before they use the data to teach installers the critical points that need to be carefully addressed by the installers?

They don't have to give the numbers to figure out why.

Proprietary values? That sounds a lot like the fillers inbetween the primary and secondary and we all know about that.

Isn't it funny that the mills won't release enough info, to teach installers, even some of the basic questions I asked, like,--Lets say it's crunch time again and the day the install is to be done, it's cold and rainy outside, but on the inside of the building, the heat is on, please advise.

Can you or any installer here answer this one simple question? Surely CRI and CFI know these things, eh?

It's not really important, because I don't have to ever install again and if I do, I do it when I choose. I just happen to think knowledge is a good thing.

The reason this industry doesn't do what it's supposed to is simply to blame installers for whatever this industry chooses, because they control 9th and 10th graders. They prove it by making a defective product, while they license so called master mechanics, which by the way, not one of them dare to speak on this, save to criticise me or other installers that dare speak up, for fear the industry will find reason to take their license sooner or later or they can simply put the word out in their hometown and their work would dry up.

For years retailers have threatened installers with black-balling them, while they created in the minds of the installers that there were an over abundance of installers and if we didn't do exactly what they said when they said, we would just get no more work and if we spoke to other installers, then the black balling.

The law never bothered retailers for what they did and never will. One guy on another board recently claimed that in his part of the country, they no longer get extras, so you can be sure that will spread, because businesses all thruout the US are hiring one legal Mexican and he hires 4 illegals. They all stay in one house and because of all the illegals, everyones price for rent and buying property skyrockets, because of supply and demand, even when it is grossly illegal. With 5 or 10 Illegals to a house, their rent is very low in comparison to all the divided and conquered Americans pay, not to mention insurance, gas, healthcare, pharmacy and everything else skyrockets, while the illegals are getting some government housing, food stamps and much more.

Bush got elected because the pharmacuetical co's. gave him 17 million dollars to be elected the first time and bush and congress spit in the face of all Americans and the constitution, by letting the pharmacuetical co's. write their own laws and now, pharmacy has gone thru the roof, while medicare recipients get maybe half to one third of what they used to get, but hey, it seems only the well off and those connected are worth anything in this country.

Bush and co. are selling off our ports, our toll roads, or power grid and as much as they can, in their final push to bring about a one world government and believe it or not, our trade way back in 1971 shows that such theft as in our industry was just the first blatant step, but now it has spread far and wide.

We have almost no manufacturing to speak of, our cars have faded to second place below the Japanese, because our car industries are making cars as cheap as they can, while they make things to break down much faster, so all Americans and foreigners have to spend more to fix their cars and with the codes the manufacturers are using to control who can and can't work on their cars, the prices to fix them have skyrocketed, because most of the cars have to be serviced at the dealers. They only allow a certain amount of shops the codes, just to handle what the dealers can't.

Our country is being destryed for the sake of greedy businessmen, congress and the brownhouse. They don't care, they got theirs and they believe they can bring about a one world government, but they will only bring death and destruction, as they are trying to make the whole middle east fight each other. The main problem is the oil is there and just say America targets Iran, all Iran would have to do is target the oil fields of Saudi Arabia and that would bring a halt to about 3/5ths of the worlds oil supply. What then? CHAOS for years to come, unless Russia or China got so mad they nuked the US and then we nuke them.

Bet ya didn't know you were gonna get a response like this, just because of greedy businessmen, congress and the brownhouse, huh?

EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON EVERYTHING ELSE, JUST AS, EVERYONE DEPENDS ON EVERYONE ELSE.

The above was said, to show the downward spiral of America, because the law refuses to protect the workers and has for so long now.

Because this industry refuses to teach or understand all the information it has or what it keeps in the dark, while it licenses inspectors that know only what they are taught, they destroy anything resembling the facts and the truth, they prove money is worth more than human beings.

They also prove customers have to take what they are given, because to compete in this industry all are forced to do pretty much the same things, unless you are a single entity that doesn't hire other men, unless you pay them an equal portion or close to it.

It used to be that businesses not only advertised, but they had their installers do great workmanship, which brought them even more work, but thru the years, the system has been twisted to line the pockets of advertisers. Since the vast majority of businesses hire low pay workers, it has become one size fits all, take it or leave it. That means that the biggest advertisers will sell the most product.

It behooves this industry to use low pay workers, because the installation will fail in many ways much sooner because of all the fillers and low pay for the vast majority.

This twisting of life degrades all parties and as business does these things, with the help of government, while insourcing and outsourcing, as the workers have less and less, they can't afford to buy a house, new cars, the washers and dryers and the host of other things businesses in America depend on, at least the smaller businesses.

What does America have to trade or sell to other nations as our debt skyrockets, while this gov prints more and more money, devaluing the dollar and as our gov borrows more and more money from Japan, China and a few other nations, soon enough, our economy must fall.

With no real manufacturing sector in this country, our car makers are falling behind, the housing industry cannot recover because of such high prices and low pay for approx 70% of this nations people, their insurance and tax payments on their housing is putting more and mpore people out of their houses, food prices are going up and up, HOW will this nation recover?

If one industry so long ago was allowed to do what it did, then it is only fair for all other businesses to be allowed to do the same and that is exactly what is happening.

When the dollar finally tanks as it must, it's doubtful you will get 10 cents on each dollar you have.

This nation props up the behemoth corporations, which all Americans tax dollars paid for and congress gave to them thru sweetheart deals, tax havens, reinvestment dollars available, even as they were growing so huge, by swallowing their competition whole or forcing out the small businessmen/women, gov has grown as a monster on our backs and they work hand in hand with business, to rape the middle class, because they are the largest sector. The poor pay nothing, while they work under the table and by comparison, the rich have no bills that bother them at all. So called small business now is huge corporations having them under their umbrella, while these so called small businesses get huge tax breaks, which benefits the parent co's. and stifles all real competition.

I could go on for hours, but there is no use and none of this will really matter, because installers will not be allowed to change for the better, save the tiny few, just as most of America is headed for the rich against the hard working and poor and when the time comes, the rich will make sure that they pay many people to make it about race, as the rich have always divided and conquered the poorer, by making one half of the poorer fight the other half, so they see not the real plot.

Ron Paul is a presidential candidate. He is a strict constitutionalist and a republican, but his candidacy is not well known, because if he qwere to get into office, he would break up how gov, media and business work hand in hand to divide and conquer America, for the sake of their desired one world gov., while they deplete and enslave this coming third world nation.